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Hello and welcome to the Designing with Love podcast.
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I am your host, Jackie Pelegrin, where my goal is to bring you information, tips and tricks as an instructional designer.
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Hello, GCU students, alumni and fellow educators, welcome to episode 39 of the Designing with Love podcast.
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Today I have the pleasure of interviewing Tommy Kilpatrick, a retired teacher and author who lives in the Philippines.
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Welcome, Tommy.
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Well, thank you, thank you very much.
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Thank you so much for coming on my show today.
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So can you tell us a little bit about yourself?
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Well, let's see, I always like to talk about myself, of course.
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I was born and raised in California and, let's see, ended up going to college as a double major for accounting and abnormal psychology, which sounds pretty crazy.
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But I worked at Napa State Mental Hospital with autistic children and the time was like 1975.
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There was only five children in the northern state of California that were autistic enough to be in a hospital and now the rates are like 1 in 12 in California.
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So something's very seriously going on with our autism.
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So I have a real strong connection to the autistic and I had a psychiatrist come and tell me I've never seen anyone relate to these kids like you do.
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So these kids were psychotic, they did not relate with you, they couldn't carry on a conversation and one kid would just tear a paper in half and put it through the fence, reach through, pick it back, cut it in half again or tear it again in half, put it back through the fence.
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I did what he did for hours.
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I'm being paid.
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Oh my goodness, why care?
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I'm just doing what he's doing.
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Another kid would pick sand up and he would put the sand in and let it fall through his hand to the ground and that's all he did all day long.
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But he did it into the sun.
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I would notice a pattern that he would do and he's looking and he's enjoying something.
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I'm doing the same thing.
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I don't see it.
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I don't see it.
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And so years later, I turn into a commercial diver.
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I'm offshore, 68 miles offshore, holding a diver's hose, for hours, staring out into the water, and all of a sudden I see a, a hallucination, and that's what the kid.
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I immediately said oh, that's what the kid was doing the sand, those little particles were going through the sun and they were dancing.
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And that's what he, that's what I got.
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So, oh my gosh.
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So years later, these experiences come back in my life.
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So I ended up being quite an entrepreneur.
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When I was about seven, I was baking cookies and cake and making Kool-Aid, and when my friends didn't have money to buy my food, I would have them go out and find me three customers and I'll give you a piece for free.
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So I motivated them to bring customers to me.
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And then, when I was 15, I was working as a diver in Dana Point and we would scrape barnacles off the boat and all kinds of work underwater, and I was making $165 a week, when my friends were working at McDonald's barely making $35 or $40 a week.
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So I actually had my own motorcycle and I had a license to drive a motorcycle at 15 because I had driver's education.
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But there was a little provision.
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If you had driver's education, you could get a motorcycle license If you didn't drive on a freeway and you didn't carry a passenger and you didn't drive at night.
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Well, of course I did all three, but I had to drive to high school on my motorcycle to learn how to drive a car.
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So later on I got a.
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I got a car license after I had already had a motorcycle license.
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So then, uh, let's see.
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Then I went to college.
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Oh, I, I graduated early.
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I had enough credits, so I graduated in January.
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And then I turned 17 about two weeks before that, and then I entered into a contract.
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I bought my own Mazda RX3.
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And it was a nice little sports car kind of looking like, and I had $1,000 cash.
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And you should have seen the eyes of those salesmen when I came up, a 17-year-old kid walks in with a pile of cash.
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He says I want that car.
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Okay, sign a contract.
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You can't do that.
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I was under 18.
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I signed, I had a car payment at 17.
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And then I moved out of my parents' house about two months after that and into an apartment.
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I had my own apartment down in Long Beach, first and orange, and it was $95 a month and included utilities.
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I had a Murphy bed, so the bed would come down, I'd sleep on it, push it back up and turn it around and my bed was my living room.
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So the living room turned into a bedroom and then I got a job as an insurance investigator.
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I lied, I told them I was 19.
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They looked at my driver's license.
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They knew I was 17.
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They knew I lied, they hired me anyway.
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So I became an insurance investigator and I would go out to people's homes or their car or their business and take pictures.
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I was the eyes of the insurance companies so they could see what was really reality.
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They wanted a second opinion and so I gave that to them and after about six months I had the job down.
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So well, I only worked about two or three hours a day and then I would get home, I'd ride my bicycle down to the beach, suntan and maybe shoot pool, whatever, just relax.
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After about a year of that I looked at the other guys who were 40, 50 years old going.
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I don't want to be that way.
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In 40 years I don't want to be doing the same thing.
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So I said, okay, my dad's a CPA, I'll take over his practice.
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He's already built an established business.
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I'll go to college, I'm good at math, so that's my direction.
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But then a deaf guy came into the tutoring room and he had an interpreter.
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So he had lost his hearing when he was about four so he could talk.
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So I would talk, she'd sign to him and then he would talk to me.
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And I thought, well, wait a second, if, if I got to learn, if I learned sign language, then I could have the interpreter and then I could talk to him.
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And then he became a friend and my neighbor.
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He lived right next to me.
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So, uh, then I learned sign language and I went to the counselor, said I'm really excited about signing.
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What do I do?
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Oh, be a school, be a social worker, okay.
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So I changed my major, social work, moved to san francisco and I am not a social worker.
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Okay.
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So I changed my major to social work, moved to San Francisco and I am not a social worker.
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So right about two classes.
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Right before I graduated I took a walk and never came back.
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So then, on a lot of different adventures, I wrote books and I'm an author.
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I write every day and then also was involved in education because I would teach how to do this healing thing, and then we'll talk about this in a little bit.
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But I actually was part of the founding members of a charter school, so I'm actually part of creating your own public school and I taught there for 10 years because my daughter went there and my son went there.
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So I have a lot of knowledge and experience of a private education.
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I was never a school teacher because I didn't have a credential, but I've done it right, so yeah about me, I guess great well, thank you, tommy, that's great.
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And you mentioned, uh, the process of what it took to get a public school.
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That must have been quite an adventure trying to do that and trying to figure out how the systems work, because you have all the different legal avenues right and you have the state and things like that that you have to navigate.
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So I'm sure that that's got to be complex and, unfortunately, probably red tape that you have to go through.
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So what did you find that was the most challenging with that part of it and maybe what was the most rewarding with that experience for you that you could share with our audience?
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It's exactly what you said.
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You're right on.
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There was a ballot initiative in California for the voucher.
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People were upset with the poor education and wanted an alternative.
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So somebody put a ballot initiative on and it might pass.
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The problem is that if it passed, the public schools would not be able to take a voucher.
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So the legislature, in anticipation, they passed a charter school law that would allow schools and school districts to become chartered.
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Law that would allow schools and school districts to become chartered.
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Oh, now they can, because if they get approval by the school board, it's all correct, all cool, now you take the voucher.
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Now nothing changes the whole plan.
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We don't change anything.
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We like what is going on.
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We like what's going on, we like our power, so we're not going to give that up.
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So, yes.
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Then one of our ladies in the community had thought of trying to start a magnet school but was turned down by the school, school district, school board.
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Everything was against her trying to get something, you know, more educational and she thought, oh well, why don't we just start our own charter school?
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So 53 families got together and we decided to start our own public school.
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So we had the you have to give a proposal and we laid it all out and ours was going to be different.
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We want it to be, first of all, small class sizes.
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They were looking at 30 to 35.
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We wanted ours 15.
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So you can't do that with a huge overhead.
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But if you do the math, we got $5,000 per kid.
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If we have 100 kids, we got five thousand dollars per kid.
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If we have a hundred kids, we got enough.
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And then we didn't have to have a school.
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We didn't pay for school because we could use the school districts empty schools because they had empty classrooms that were not being used, so we could use that.
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The second one is developmental.
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We didn't want to do what we did.
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You're in a classroom, you're bored to death because you're way ahead, or you're bored to death because you don't get it, and either spectrum you're lost.
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They only would teach to the middle and if you couldn't keep up you'd just sit back and come back next year.
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You know you need another year of this or again you'd be causing problems, like me, because I had a little bit of head.
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I was always getting out of my chair.
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They went, I tied me down.
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It sounds terrible, but it was.
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It was just a rope that tied me down to the chair.
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It wasn't that tight or anything, but it was just a symbol.
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Stay in your chair, tommy.
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No, I'm like I'm a boy, I get up, I got energy.
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So I remember it was funny.
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It wasn't traumatic at all, it was just entertaining to me.
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That's funny that you didn't mention that yeah.
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Wow.
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So then the third thing is parent participation.
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Because the parents were not involved.
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Why should they?
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They're not interested in kids' education.
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We didn't want those kind of parents.
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We wanted parents who were required to participate.
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Now, that doesn't mean they had to be at the school.
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There's lots of things that need to be done outside of school.
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It could mean that you could do an extra curricular activity, like one of the guys, one of the dads was a Marine, and so we would have a class, an after-school program, where we would take these kids like Boy Scouts and take them in the desert.
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We would walk on.
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He'd point down look at that mark right there, what's that from?
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And they'd say a snake, okay, think about a snake, it moves this way.
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That's a straight line, okay.
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A lizard Line.
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A lizard has a tail and there's your feet, so he would teach them basic skills and things like that.
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It could never have been done in a typical public school.
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We had art, because many of our moms and dads were artists, so they would bring the artwork in, and so it was.
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And then the path.
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Oh my gosh.
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It took us pressure and it required basically all of us in the school board meeting to put the pressure on that board to pass.
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They didn't want to.
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Oh no, they don't want us.
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They said we're not in the system.
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And they tried to stretch the meeting out.
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Stretch the meeting out.
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We're at midnight and we didn't leave, and so they had to throw their hands up and said okay, you can have a charter law, you get it for five years.
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We'll come back and review and we'll see what happens.
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And they would, hopefully would fail.
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Well, within two months, all of our credentialed teachers quit.
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And it was a crisis.
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A crisis.
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All of our teachers quit.
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What are we going to do?
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And so we had a meeting at our school and one of the vice president, or something like a vice superintendent he came down and he said look, folks, I tell you what dissolve your charter school and we'll give you a magnet school.
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And so people are going well yeah, I don't want this hassle, I don't want to do all this work.
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Yeah, let's go that way.
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I got up and I pointed out this guy is a salesman.
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He's selling you what we have is a charter school.
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Yeah, we got problems, so what?
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In five years we can come back and dissolve this, but let's hang it.
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He's selling you something he doesn't have.
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Don't trust this guy.
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And we won by one vote.
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One vote would have ended our public school adventure in just two months.
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But we recovered.
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We learned our mistakes.
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Of course you're going to make mistakes, catastrophic mistakes.
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And we got along about four years.
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And guess what happened?
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All the teachers quit and people were telling me Tom, you did such a great job, get back up there and talk.
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I said no, why?
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Oh, we're in wave four, what?
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Well, you've heard of three steps forward, two steps back, right, you've all heard of that.
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Right, it misdescribes it immediately.
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What is one step forward, one step back, one step forward, and see how long that was.
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One step back, one step forward, and that's a five pattern.
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So it's one, two, three, four, five.
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And knowing that that was a critical point, number two, when we had lost all of our teachers, that's when I had to speak, had to get up and be passionate and do that.
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When we were at wave four we already had a school.
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It's not going to threaten because you see, wave one goes up.
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If it goes down below it goes away.
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So we made it, we're fine.
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So I knew where we were in the pattern and that's called an Elliott wave theory.
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It's used primarily in financials and stuff.
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Because of my accounting background and all that kind of stuff, I had that knowledge.
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So I said no and sure enough, we won.
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There was no problem.
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We moved on.
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We got new teachers.
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And it's still functioning today.
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It's still going on today.
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That was formed in 1993.
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Wow, and it's still there.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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And all it took was one vote.
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So they say one vote can make a difference, right, and sometimes people think well, it doesn't matter, but it really does yeah.
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And it depends on you getting up.
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You got to get off your seat and get up there and be passionate about what you believe.
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Right, that's so true.
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Yeah, passion, yeah, it does make a difference.
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Absolutely yeah, and before we start.
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I'm going to stop right there.
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I love words.
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You said passion, passion.
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Passion means suffering or enduring, Ion means a little.
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So to have a passion, you've got to have a little bit of misery, you got to have a little bit of enduring, a little bit of you know just something about it, but not a lot, because then it's torture.
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So that's what motivates us is we're not satisfied.
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Just a little bit better.
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Come on, we can do it.
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And that's your passion.
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So follow your passion, because you know, it irritates you.
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I love that.
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No, I didn't think of passion that way, but it's yeah, it's true.
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It keeps you motivated to keep making things better and keep striving Right, because if we're as they say, if we're um, if we're stagnant and we're yeah, we're not going anywhere and we're just not going to be satisfied.
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Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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Things are not always going to go how we plan, but we, we, we, but sometimes we have to pivot, but we can make the best of it and, with the Lord's help, we can do it right, absolutely, absolutely, yeah.
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So I know, before we started recording, we were talking about our faith and, as a lot of my listeners know, I'm a Christian, I grew up Catholic, and I'm not sure where your faith background is.
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But did you want to kind of talk a little bit about because that's what drew us together, to have you come on the show is that faith background and things like that?
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So did you want to talk a little bit about your background and that?
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And then we can kind of go into some different faith-based questions as well.
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Sure, I'd be happy to.